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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts

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known as the fireside chats his aim was

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to reassure the common man that our

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society would recover from its troubled

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well we're far from 1930 and i deal with

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a different kind of fire

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for a new era of worldly frustration we

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offer a fresh conversation i'm greg

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carlwood

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and these are the higher side chats

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all right higher side chatters from

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sunny san diego i'm greg carlwood and i

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don't know if ignorance

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arrogance or full-blown intentional is

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to blame but it's becoming more obvious

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that most areas of science are

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completely off the mark

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in the realm of health it seems that the

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bio-terrain model and holistic approach

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to wellness are having results that far

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exceed the best offerings of rockefeller

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medicine

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without the troubling side effects when

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it comes to fuel and energy it's pretty

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clear that the system has a very rigid

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we have a long history of strange things

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seen flying or hovering in the sky that

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and fields like ether physics and

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alchemy were highly regarded by some of

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before we were told to just ignore that

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knowing these things is it any surprise

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that perhaps the realms of astrophysics

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really how much money has been spent on

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academic institutions just to tell us

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their best guess about the mystery of

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the universe is that everything exploded

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for no reason at a random date in the

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they say it's the big bang theory but

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question it and you'll quickly find

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that won't adapt or adjust their strict

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even in the slightest if you ask me

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rather than being married to complex

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mathematical equations that tell us our

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well wouldn't you know it that is one of

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the guiding principles adhered to by the

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electric universe model like today's

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returning guest wall thornhill

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we've talked about the electric universe

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many times before but its contention is

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simplified and elegant it seems with

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implications that are probably a lot

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more drastic than one would expect

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and probably the most well-known voice

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for the electric universe model is the

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thunderbolts project of which wal

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president as well as the chief science

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inspiration from emmanuel velikovsky's

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the thunderbolts project and wrote two

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books entitled the electric universe and

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thunderbolts of the gods that are both

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still highly respected over a decade

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after five years it's certainly great to

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talk to him again so let's get into it

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welcome back thanks three minutes greg

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yes i am really looking forward to this

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you know i do a lot of interviews

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and i know you do as well and they have

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to all bleed together

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electric universe model and now i think

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and five years is a long time i find

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a lot more of my guests are working from

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dear friend and colleague david talbot

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following our work and have been for

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they organized two meetings in 2018

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2019 and the big feature of 2019

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radioactive nuclear plants that we have

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nature never does things the hard way

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incredible temperatures and pressures in

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the center of an object like a star

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function in regulation experiment it's a

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clumsy sentence but it tells you that

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we were looking at the regulatory effect

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are in common use

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and this of course explains why the sun

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is a variable star in x-rays but it's

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very steady in its radiant output

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the light and heat that it puts out and

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of course this is critical if you're

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going to try and have

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life on planets around stars you don't

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want the

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output bearing wildly so that you've got

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an ice age one minute and then you're

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being roasted and burnt the next

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and so all the evidence pointed to the

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fact that jurgen's original model was

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correct because it satisfied

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all of the observations that we could

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see when you look at a star closely

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there are

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many many puzzles about what's going on

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one of the ones which

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the conventional scientists have

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problems with

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is why is the hottest part of the sun

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outside the sun now if you're just

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trying to shed

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energy from inside then the inside

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should be the hottest and the outside

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should be the coolest

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right it's pretty damned obvious

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everyone knows that you know

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the further you move away from a fire or

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a heater

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the colder you get but this is the

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reverse with the sun

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and of course it makes perfect sense if

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the energy is coming

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outside there are many other issues

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about that but

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basically what we've done is it should

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be

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front page news around the world if

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anyone was paying attention but of

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course

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what we are doing is impossible

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according to

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particle physics but of course particle

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physics is in

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we keep seeing headlines in science

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magazines and journals that

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quantum theory is in strife because

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they can't explain weird things that go

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on and

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of course they postulate the mini

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universe's idea and all sorts of

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intellectual nonsense to try and patch

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up a story which

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is failing well said

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and i'm glad you brought up the sapphire

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project because it was one of the

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primary things i wanted to ask you about

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i've read through a lot of the material

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and the results but a lot of what i read

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was a bit over my head

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i am curious though when you got this

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star in a jar

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working some of the questions i would

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have are

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how long did it burn for how stable was

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it

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i know you said the project wrapped up

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but could it keep on sustaining itself

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in perpetuity if that was the goal these

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sorts of things

361
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well these are all very good questions

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and of course

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the main thing to test was whether we

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could regulate the

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experiment we could set the knobs to a

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certain

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position and we would get exactly the

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same results each time

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and we showed that early on that we

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could do that

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my contribution was in the particle

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physics

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side of things and what actually creates

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the

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energy that we see from a bright star

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and it is nuclear energy but it's the

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kind that

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particle physicists don't like that's

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the low energy nuclear reactions

380
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anyway that was proven in 2019 and

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announced at

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bath university in england at our

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meeting there

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and that was done just a few weeks after

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we had confirmation

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from an independent laboratory that we

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had created a whole

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range of elements which weren't in the

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chamber before we do the before and

390
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after tests

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and also we have spectroscopes looking

392
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at what's going on in this bright plasma

393
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you know their shining star if you like

394
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and

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when we turned the power up to a certain

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level all of a sudden all of these new

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spectroscopic lines appeared

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which was indicative of the fact that we

399
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were actually converting

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one element into another and that's

401
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where the bulk of the energy from the

402
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sun comes from

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all stars and i mean this makes perfect

404
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sense all stars create the heavy

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elements required for life and

406
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everything we see

407
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it's not this crazy idea a supernova

408
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which

409
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according to standard theory is the only

410
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star event energetic enough to create

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the heavy elements

412
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it's just not so uh and then of course

413
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the supernova explodes and blows it all

414
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into deep space which is not where you

415
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want it

416
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if you wanted where the stars are and

417
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where life

418
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:56,880
is right all right and that is crazy

419
00:15:01,430 --> 00:14:59,600
transmutation right under our nose huh

420
00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:01,440
transmutation right under our nose the

421
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:02,399
old alchemist

422
00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:04,480
we're on to something we're only just

423
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:06,240
beginning to discover

424
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wow that is amazing and you mentioned

425
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,440
this

426
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energy company i was going to ask about

427
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that it seems like once you've

428
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established that this is kind of how

429
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stars are created or birthed then it

430
00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:20,240
seems like there would be a lot of

431
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:21,760
energy implications there because it

432
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seems like a lot of power

433
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:26,399
no oh yes yes and it's non-radioactive

434
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because nature when it produces

435
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new elements does so in a way which

436
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is unknown to quantum theory because

437
00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:38,160
quantum theory is not actually physics

438
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:40,000
it's a mathematical

439
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:42,079
description of what happens without any

440
00:15:47,269 --> 00:15:45,199
real understanding of what's going on

441
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:47,279
this is one of the characteristics of

442
00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:49,360
modern science unfortunately the basics

443
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:51,839
are missing

444
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and it's all down to what happened at

445
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the

446
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sort of harks back to

447
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:02,800
what you've been talking about about the

448
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crisis

449
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:10,639
which we go through repeatedly

450
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:14,800
in our societies

451
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:17,920
and that's obvious it is and

452
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:20,320
one of my favorite ways to try to break

453
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:22,240
through to people who might have a hard

454
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:23,519
time with the idea that

455
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,759
entire fields like conventional

456
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:27,440
cosmology or

457
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,000
physics could be wrong is to point out

458
00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:31,839
the history and i know that you're big

459
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:33,680
on this too because i've heard you say

460
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:36,399
in the 19th century the brightest minds

461
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were

462
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:39,120
all about holistic models and had a real

463
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:40,800
hunch about the important role of

464
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electricity

465
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:44,399
but obviously something changed right

466
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,079
what was that

467
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:48,720
well at the beginning of the 20th

468
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century

469
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:52,639
and the outbreak of insanity in the two

470
00:17:02,949 --> 00:16:59,910
the kind of experimental independent

471
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:02,959
scientists that govern progress in the

472
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:05,120
19th century disappeared and what we had

473
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:06,079
was

474
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,439
whole teams of budding scientists were

475
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:10,799
recruited to

476
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:13,439
shut up and calculate you know in other

477
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:14,000
words

478
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:15,600
don't worry about the physics as long as

479
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:18,559
the mathematics allows us to build these

480
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:21,760
weapons of war and other things just go

481
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:24,000
ahead and do it

482
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:27,039
then the second world war more money was

483
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,200
funneled from government into research

484
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,200
and we set up institutions

485
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:33,919
and effectively what we were doing was

486
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:35,039
industrializing

487
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:38,400
science but industry can work with

488
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:39,520
whatever they discover

489
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:40,960
works in a laboratory without

490
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,039
necessarily understanding it

491
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:46,000
and in particular in not understanding

492
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:46,320
the

493
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:53,520
and this has had all sorts of ill

494
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:54,480
effects for

495
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:57,840
humanity in the 20th century and it's

496
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:00,799
got worse than the 21st century

497
00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:04,080
and of course after the second world war

498
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:06,960
and the introduction of computers the

499
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:07,679
divorce

500
00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:12,880
of science from the experimental

501
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,720
scientists a lot of the experimental

502
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:16,240
scientists in the 19th century's

503
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,640
were excellent engineers too they built

504
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:20,000
exquisite

505
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,840
instruments and so on to measure things

506
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,400
of course technology has improved the

507
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:28,080
instrumentation but the

508
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:31,440
science behind it is just lacking

509
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:34,559
so we spend millions and billions of

510
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dollars

511
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,880
on gigantic experiments which can't be

512
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:40,559
repeated by anyone else because no one

513
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:42,799
else can afford to do it

514
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:45,679
therefore the things that come out of it

515
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,400
generally

516
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:48,400
what's expected because you've spent so

517
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:50,880
much money you've got to have a result

518
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:54,000
and so there's kind of self-fulfilling

519
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,799
so we've got gravity wave telescopes and

520
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:58,240
gravity wave

521
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,360
measurements and yet no one in physics

522
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,039
understands gravity

523
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:05,600
we've got equations you know newton had

524
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:06,960
the sense to say that he didn't

525
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,600
understand

526
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,200
gravity but here's an equation that

527
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,919
works in the solar system

528
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,440
and the fact that it didn't work once

529
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:14,880
they applied it to galaxy should have

530
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,000
been a signal that

531
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:18,400
there was more to learn but instead of

532
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,120
that they invented dark matter and

533
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,240
all this dark stuff which you know

534
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,080
they're spending now

535
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,840
millions and billions of dollars trying

536
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,280
to just uh

537
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,120
find this dark matter that's needed to

538
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,679
save their gravitational theories

539
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,000
instead of considering the fact that

540
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:38,480
first you need to understand gravity

541
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,400
and then then you can talk about

542
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,640
getting money for these kinds of

543
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:46,960
experiments

544
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:50,080
so fortunately i was inoculated against

545
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:51,520
all of this stuff

546
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:54,559
very early in my schooling

547
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,679
and i kept asking awkward questions

548
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,039
which meant that i was not fit for

549
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:01,039
academia they don't like people who

550
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,159
ask awkward questions but

551
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,720
all the same the thing that i found most

552
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,320
difficult in all this

553
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:11,280
over the decades that i've been doing it

554
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:11,679
is

555
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,799
to drop old certainties things that

556
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,400
you've been taught that everyone else

557
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:18,159
believes

558
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:21,440
and that you find problems with and then

559
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,360
finally have to make the decision okay

560
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:28,000
i just have to give up on this i have to

561
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:28,960
follow

562
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,320
where the evidence is leading me and

563
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,080
i've got better at that i think over the

564
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,400
years to the point now where

565
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,559
i believe that my model of gravity

566
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,559
satisfies all of the tests that i can

567
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,000
think of

568
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,559
and that it explains all sorts of things

569
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,039
which are mysteries at present

570
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,960
yes that's one of my favorite things

571
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,520
about your work is just all the

572
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:54,400
little details that can be explained and

573
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,280
sometimes are

574
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,799
like things you never thought of before

575
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,159
or couldn't work out and then you're

576
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,520
like wow that's actually quite

577
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,840
simple and pretty elegant yeah and

578
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:03,600
another thing i've heard you say

579
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,520
that i liked was that classical physics

580
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,000
wants to simplify stuff because when

581
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,760
it's made overly complex

582
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,919
that is what pretty much establishes a

583
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,240
scientific priesthood over the field

584
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,240
and that sounds uh like a pretty

585
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,240
familiar paradigm today

586
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,799
yes that's right you've set up this help

587
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:24,640
knapp who was a leading astronomer

588
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,559
said that the science today has

589
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,760
the hallmarks of a religion and none of

590
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:34,000
its benefits

591
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,919
absolutely so on your linkedin profile

592
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,039
you say

593
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,200
why have these discoveries been ignored

594
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,120
the answer may be found in

595
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,760
the inertia of prior beliefs and the

596
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,320
failure of our educational institutions

597
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,200
and that certainly seems like part of it

598
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,360
maybe i give academia too much credit

599
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:55,360
but i find it hard to believe that it's

600
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,679
all

601
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:58,400
ego and stubbornness and left brain

602
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,039
thinking

603
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,760
it seems like there is some intentional

604
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,440
misdirection there

605
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,720
i mean don't step out of this

606
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:06,400
conventional box or your career is

607
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,880
ruined

608
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:09,600
as you know are these people really just

609
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,240
that close

610
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,520
minded or did our conventional sciences

611
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,200
get where they are because there's

612
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,360
something they don't want us to stumble

613
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,679
upon whether it's energy implications or

614
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,120
the story of our past

615
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,679
i get the vibe there's some kind of

616
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,360
secret that they don't want to get

617
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:27,440
mainstreamed maybe several of them

618
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,480
am i being paranoid what do you think i

619
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:32,559
don't think it's intentional

620
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:36,400
our education system actually trains

621
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,000
students to be blind to alternatives

622
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,200
this was shown by that fellow in

623
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,400
england dr ian mcgillcrest

624
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,600
that has the celtic spelling i-a-i-n

625
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:52,720
for ian but he's a bit of a celebrity in

626
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,200
a way

627
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,240
because he did a meta analysis of all

628
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:58,960
the studies on how the brain functions

629
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,240
and came to the conclusion that the two

630
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,480
hemispheres are there

631
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:06,240
you know the brain is divided for a

632
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,840
reason he said nature never does

633
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,559
anything for

634
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,679
no reason and he said the two halves of

635
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,600
the brain are connected by the corpus

636
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,919
callosum as it's called

637
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,640
and it appears that the corpus callosum

638
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:20,000
operates to

639
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,440
suppress one or the other hemisphere

640
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,840
you know one hemisphere dominates in

641
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,520
certain tasks and the other hemisphere

642
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,600
dominates in others

643
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,120
and he pointed out that the left

644
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:32,720
hemisphere in

645
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,080
animals and in humans it appears

646
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,880
is focused on survival so the things you

647
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:40,159
need to do to survive

648
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,440
like where to find food and how to

649
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,480
how to eat it you know just basic things

650
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,520
like that

651
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,600
the right hemisphere is the hemisphere

652
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,720
which has a more

653
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,880
global perspective and is on the lookout

654
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:53,919
for

655
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,120
danger you know you may be

656
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:58,720
busily eating lunch but you don't want

657
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,279
to be someone else's lunch

658
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,600
that was the way he put it but he points

659
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,360
out that our education systems

660
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,159
feed the left hemisphere which is the

661
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,080
automatic one

662
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,679
whereas it's the right hemisphere that

663
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:13,600
has the more global view

664
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,440
so this our training as you know is to

665
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,679
produce people who are specialized in

666
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,200
different fields and this idea of

667
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,039
specialism

668
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,159
is the thing that fails us

669
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,559
when it comes to doing science because

670
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,240
the scientists of old were trained

671
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,600
classically they knew

672
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,919
ancient history they knew languages they

673
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,440
knew all sorts of stuff

674
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,559
because that was the way they were

675
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,440
trained and so when they

676
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,440
were dealing with a physics question

677
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,200
like newton he was also

678
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,600
considering what are the implications

679
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,880
for

680
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,360
biblical narrative and stuff like that

681
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,960
and this is where velikovsky came from

682
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,559
because he was looking at

683
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,799
the narratives of the creation stories

684
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,000
from around the world

685
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:58,000
didn't matter whether it's primitive

686
00:25:03,590 --> 00:24:59,600
creation stories or

687
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,600
those in the various major religions

688
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,480
and he said there are characteristic

689
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,159
features in them which

690
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,760
you can see are identical and this is

691
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,440
what dave talbot used

692
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,240
as the basis of his research and the

693
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,240
surprising thing is that

694
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,640
when you've accepted that as your

695
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,480
working premise

696
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,960
you are able to understand that the

697
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,480
planets had

698
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:27,039
characteristics which were associated

699
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,159
with them

700
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,840
that were identical didn't matter what

701
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,919
creation story whether it was from

702
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:34,799
you know islanders in the south pacific

703
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:35,279
or

704
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,200
africa

705
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,880
they all had the same characteristics

706
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,720
you know mars was always the hero

707
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,000
he was red he was had a sword

708
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,520
and then you had venus who was always

709
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:51,279
female the goddess

710
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,880
long flowing hair and also was the

711
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,039
archetype of the medusa and the gorgon

712
00:26:03,510 --> 00:25:59,679
you know the head of snakes

713
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,520
what was it about these planets then

714
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,279
that was frightening the daylights out

715
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:06,799
of our

716
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,240
forgotten ancestors and he was able to

717
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:11,919
identify the fact that venus

718
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:15,039
was the archetypal comet it must have

719
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,400
been the most spectacular thing

720
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,880
imaginable in the sky

721
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,360
if you can imagine a comet with the head

722
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,360
the size of a planet

723
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:26,400
and it was seen in relative close-up and

724
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,600
it was a danger at various times in past

725
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,960
history

726
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,360
which of course flew in the face of the

727
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:34,720
belief in the

728
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,559
newtonian clockwork solar system

729
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,720
and this path of venus the state that

730
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,880
venus was in i've heard you say this is

731
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,640
what you think is responsible for the

732
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,799
oroboros symbolism

733
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,039
yes that's right the birth of venus was

734
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,120
witnessed it seems by the ancients and

735
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,919
they described it and it makes sense

736
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,520
once you understand the electrical

737
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,039
nature of stars

738
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,600
and the birth of planets and stars which

739
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,440
is an electromagnetic phenomenon that's

740
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:02,960
not gravitational

741
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,080
all of these things make sense once you

742
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,440
actually pay attention to the history

743
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,640
and in 2000 we had an amazing meeting in

744
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,520
portland

745
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,559
oregon following our conference

746
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,720
where we had halton art the astronomer

747
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:21,679
we had tom van flanden the

748
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,200
astronomical guy as well who was

749
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:28,960
looking at solar system dynamics

750
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,399
and we had anthony perratt

751
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:35,039
from los alamos labs who was involved in

752
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,399
the highest energy electrical

753
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:37,600
experiments

754
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:41,440
on earth at the z pinch facility

755
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,120
and at the end of it we had a meeting

756
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,960
just with all of the presenters and the

757
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,000
people who organized

758
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,960
the conference dave talbot myself dwari

759
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,080
cardona the other

760
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,360
mytho historian f cochran and

761
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:58,399
he's another one of the group and you

762
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,440
can see that it's an

763
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:02,880
entirely multi-disciplinary group we had

764
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,640
engineers we had ancient scholars

765
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:09,039
a language specialist ancient language

766
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:10,240
specialist

767
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:13,760
and so on in that group and

768
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,200
tony peratt said that he

769
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:19,919
never imagined that when he went hunting

770
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:22,399
in the desert near los alamos and he saw

771
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,039
the

772
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:26,480
indian petroglyphs that what he was

773
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,200
looking at

774
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,440
was mimicking the things he was seeing

775
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,880
in these high energy electrical

776
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,240
experiments

777
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,399
where they funnel more energy than all

778
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:35,919
the power stations on earth into

779
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,120
something the size of a baked bean tin

780
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,279
and it cost them about 100 000 us to

781
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,120
rebuild the facility when they

782
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,720
do the next experiment wow so this was a

783
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:48,320
convergence of the best

784
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:51,919
of modern science with the studies

785
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,720
of the most ancient records known to man

786
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:57,360
of what they saw in the sky

787
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,720
and tony actually went and said you know

788
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,520
this changes everything and so he

789
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,320
organized

790
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,559
people around the world to photograph

791
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,000
the petroglyphs because they are

792
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,679
worldwide

793
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,480
and to also register their position with

794
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,159
the gps

795
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,360
and to their

796
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,840
relationship where the south pole the

797
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:20,799
north pole

798
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,840
was in relation to these petroglyphs

799
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,919
and he was able to show that it was a

800
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,200
polar

801
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,320
phenomenon that they were looking at

802
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,559
and that it followed the natural

803
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,399
progression of what's called

804
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,559
plasma instabilities because plasma's

805
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,320
high-energy plasmas

806
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,240
take on all sorts of interesting shapes

807
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:42,159
and they're quite characteristic

808
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,600
and he was able to show there's a

809
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,960
progression of shapes in these

810
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:46,480
petroglyphs so these things that look

811
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,799
like

812
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:49,120
weird stick figures with duct heads and

813
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,240
whatnot

814
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,640
that appear to be just doodles on the

815
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:53,679
rocks

816
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,279
were actually very hard work to

817
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,240
do because tony actually attempted to do

818
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,840
one himself on one of the rocks and he

819
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,480
said boy you wouldn't do this for fun

820
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,159
so what they were doing they felt was

821
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:08,640
critical to pass on

822
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,919
to future generations as a warning

823
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,520
and here they are dotted all around the

824
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,279
world chiseled in rocks

825
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,360
the australian aborigines who have a

826
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,440
very ancient history

827
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,919
have their lightning brothers in their

828
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,960
rock art

829
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,960
and up in the kimberleys they have these

830
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,360
wanjina figures they're called

831
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,200
and they describe them and they say the

832
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:30,720
headdress is lightning

833
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,919
it radiates all around the head and the

834
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,399
nose is not a nose

835
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,559
it is the power flowing down and when

836
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,000
you look at it sometimes it's

837
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,320
shown as a hollow column and that's a

838
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:44,799
plasma formation

839
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,240
so tony actually is then able to go on

840
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:50,320
and show that one of the patterns

841
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,240
is one of 56 dots in a circle

842
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,320
around a radiating pattern and he found

843
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,360
them in

844
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,440
the north american indians had them and

845
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:01,039
there was an example in

846
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,399
australia from the australian aborigines

847
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:07,039
exactly the same pattern and he overlaid

848
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,679
the two

849
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,360
and he said when you rotate them to

850
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,039
account for their difference in latitude

851
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,350
so evidence like this shows that the

852
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,519
story of the earth and humanity is far

853
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,960
different to anything we've been taught

854
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,640
it is far more dramatic it would make

855
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,120
the most

856
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:26,159
incredible imax movie you could ever

857
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,519
imagine

858
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,679
and you know the possibility is there to

859
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:31,600
actually do it now because the

860
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,200
specificity of the reconstruction by

861
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:38,399
david tellwork and dwary cardona

862
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,600
is sufficient to be able to do that yes

863
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,480
man so many questions and i'm very

864
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,039
familiar with what the electric universe

865
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:49,440
model says about our solar system's

866
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,240
history

867
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,480
and how everything got to where it is

868
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,360
now but

869
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,120
you mentioned that when you look at

870
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,039
these petroglyphs and their orientation

871
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,880
it seems like we're dealing with a polar

872
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,559
phenomenon and

873
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,159
something that i've been reading about

874
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,000
lately is this idea

875
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:06,960
of what they call an electromagnetic

876
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,679
plasma

877
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,480
changeover event oftentimes it's tied up

878
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,240
with the idea of a pole shift

879
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,720
but it can get a lot stranger with talk

880
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,880
about a plasma vortex

881
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,120
opening up over the north pole that this

882
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,360
is what ascension and heaven stories are

883
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,480
really alluding to

884
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,039
so they say if government scientists

885
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,880
discovered this type of event

886
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,360
was possible or that it was cyclical i

887
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,880
could see why they'd suppress anything

888
00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:32,240
that relates to it but

889
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:35,320
what are your thoughts on the idea of an

890
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,480
electromagnetic

891
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,960
plasma changeover event is that a term

892
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,840
you've heard

893
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:42,159
is there some kind of global catastrophe

894
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,960
that could be

895
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,519
possible with this plasma cosmology

896
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:46,880
understanding that would never be

897
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,519
entertained

898
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,200
in a conventional model that kind of

899
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,640
stuff oh yes

900
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,519
yes absolutely in fact the magnetic

901
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,600
field of stars and planets is not

902
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,399
explained at all it's pushed off to some

903
00:33:03,029 --> 00:32:59,840
hypothetical activity

904
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,039
inside the body we can't actually see it

905
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,960
and this is typical of a lot of the

906
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:07,200
theories like for instance the nuclear

907
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,080
power of the sun

908
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,760
well it's hidden from view if it's in

909
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,120
the center of the sun

910
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,640
we're saying no it's right in front of

911
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,399
your eyes if you've got the sense

912
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,080
to see it and with the

913
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,600
magnetic field of bodies if you've been

914
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,760
keeping up with my presentations on

915
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,240
gravity all know that

916
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:29,279
the magnetic and gravitational force

917
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,480
both electric forces

918
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,519
dipole forces and therefore it changes

919
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:37,360
everything about the internal structure

920
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:37,600
of

921
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,279
a body and it also means that

922
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,559
each planetary body appears

923
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,760
as a spherical electr as it's called an

924
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:48,399
electrode

925
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,679
is an object which maintains a static

926
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:53,519
charge

927
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,960
and you get a magnetic field a dipole

928
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,200
field

929
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:06,720
now of course this did occur to

930
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,720
geophysicists many years ago

931
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,320
and there was some discussion about it

932
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,159
but they calculated that the voltage on

933
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,599
the earth required to produce the

934
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,760
earth's magnetic field would be

935
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,679
millions of volts and therefore it

936
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,679
wouldn't work but

937
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,599
they were suffering the same problem as

938
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,359
the astrophysicists

939
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,480
in treating things electrostatically

940
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,200
but we live in a plasma universe in a

941
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,359
plasma universe

942
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,720
the plasma isolates charged bodies

943
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,560
electrically by forming double layers

944
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:40,879
around it or plasma sheaths

945
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,320
as they're called and this sort of

946
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,639
idea is not entertained at all in

947
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:48,159
astrophysics they don't talk about

948
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:49,359
electricity in

949
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,839
space and yet the electric universe says

950
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,399
you're missing the most important aspect

951
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:57,920
both of space

952
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,800
and for particle physicists it's also

953
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:01,760
the most important

954
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,960
aspect of mata but

955
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:06,960
it's not actually used in a way that

956
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,160
makes any sense by either of them

957
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:13,920
anyway yes i can explain switching the

958
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:17,280
magnetic orientation of the earth

959
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,480
its magnetic field at the same time

960
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,520
don scott's model professor don scott

961
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,240
who

962
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,320
produced the transistor model of the

963
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,440
photosphere

964
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,520
also pointed out that the switching

965
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:31,280
magnetic field of the sun

966
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,320
is easily explained using electrical

967
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,480
engineering principles

968
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,720
in my opinion i've stated this several

969
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,320
times over the years

970
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,240
electrical engineers should take over

971
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:44,160
cosmology because it is an electric

972
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,359
universe

973
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,920
and electrical engineers know that

974
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,520
whenever they propose something they

975
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,440
have to figure out how is it going to

976
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,640
work

977
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,880
whereas physicists seem to be quite

978
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:55,680
happy to

979
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,599
just propose randomly particles and

980
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,680
new particles and new energies and all

981
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,720
sort of thing

982
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,320
on the basis that maybe they'll get a

983
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,320
nobel prize for it

984
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,720
right and we did talk about the

985
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,760
composition

986
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,400
of bodies a little bit last time and you

987
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:13,520
did mention the

988
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,560
dipole nature of them and

989
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,640
i am curious because that's another

990
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,640
weird thing i've always heard

991
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,880
stories of that i've always liked jules

992
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:24,640
verne and all kinds of strange things

993
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,280
about

994
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,760
the hollow earth and really what's crazy

995
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,280
because it's not that crazy that there's

996
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,280
cavities inside the earth to me i mean

997
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,640
it's a huge place

998
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,040
but this idea of an inner sun it's like

999
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,720
where would someone even get that

1000
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,000
concept from

1001
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,240
but this dipole nature do you think that

1002
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,720
that could be something that we have

1003
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:45,040
echoes of like an understanding of or

1004
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,400
that's what they might be trying to

1005
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,599
express in in

1006
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,560
cases like that it is an interesting

1007
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:52,000
proposition that

1008
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,920
moore was known or we've forgotten

1009
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,119
[Laughter]

1010
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,160
things in the past which we're only

1011
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,440
gradually rediscovering now and this

1012
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,960
makes sense if you look at

1013
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,880
velikovsky's contention that we are

1014
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,079
survivors of survivors of survivors

1015
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,079
of catastrophic events that the earth

1016
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,400
went through in the past

1017
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,480
and i can understand that from the

1018
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,079
reconstruction that we've done

1019
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,320
of the earth's recent history which is

1020
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,480
quite amazing

1021
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,079
it would have science fiction any

1022
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:26,240
science fiction story and yet we know

1023
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:26,560
that

1024
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,760
say well

1025
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,520
we can explain the composition of

1026
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,760
atmospheres of stars and moons

1027
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,720
and planets and also look at objects in

1028
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,560
the solar system and give you a

1029
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,960
much clearer idea of how they got the

1030
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:42,640
way they are and where where they happen

1031
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,560
to be right now

1032
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:44,800
[Music]

1033
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:48,640
just based on being able to see things

1034
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,119
from this broader perspective

1035
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,200
and it's this broad perspective you need

1036
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:56,640
now

1037
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:00,800
when it comes to hollow planets

1038
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,880
that is the most likely

1039
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,760
outcome of having a dipole force of

1040
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:09,119
gravity

1041
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,400
you can imagine you've got two magnets

1042
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,200
two strong magnets and you try and force

1043
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,200
the same poles together and what happens

1044
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:19,200
they push each other apart you can feel

1045
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:20,480
that force

1046
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,599
pushing them apart so

1047
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,200
if you have a spherical magnet

1048
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,040
with one pole facing outwards and the

1049
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:31,200
other pole facing inwards

1050
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:34,960
then you have the internal

1051
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,839
region of the planet can be hollow

1052
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,960
because the force

1053
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:41,440
acting there is to push any matter from

1054
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:42,079
the center

1055
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:49,599
of course we do find hollow objects

1056
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,640
on the earth are called geodes yeah

1057
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,440
also in the laboratory when we were

1058
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,440
replicating the formation of those

1059
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,400
so-called martian blueberries we found

1060
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,760
that we're producing holospheres as well

1061
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,920
and also on beaches and so on around the

1062
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,520
world you'll find these things called

1063
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,280
mocky balls

1064
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,000
which are hollow and the question is how

1065
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,599
do you form these hollow objects

1066
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,240
and then we look at comets and the comet

1067
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,200
nuclei which are rocky

1068
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,880
and sometimes they're fused into a

1069
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,240
dumbbell shape

1070
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,480
these are characteristic formations we

1071
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,400
saw when we were producing

1072
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,359
these martian blueberries we would find

1073
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:31,520
two of them fused together

1074
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,880
to form a dumbbell shape

1075
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,359
also it you can begin to understand why

1076
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,000
there are so many binary stars

1077
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,720
there's pairs of stars outnumber single

1078
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:44,320
stars

1079
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,920
in the local galaxy and the question is

1080
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,280
why is that so

1081
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,800
well the answer is simple when you

1082
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:52,560
understand the electrical formation of

1083
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,119
stars

1084
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,160
and of planets and of comets and of

1085
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,560
asteroids and so on

1086
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:01,280
very interesting and i wanted to ask you

1087
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:02,560
kind of a weird one

1088
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,599
about plasma but this comes from the

1089
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:08,160
sapphire project website and it says

1090
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:08,880
irving

1091
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:11,680
langmuir coined the word plasma to

1092
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,400
describe

1093
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,760
ionized gas the lifelike behavior of

1094
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,680
charged particles reminded him

1095
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,800
of the qualities of blood plasma okay

1096
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,960
well this is interesting because i've

1097
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,000
had guests who have done

1098
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:26,560
experiments with plasmas say something

1099
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,280
similar

1100
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,400
that it seemed lifelike and

1101
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,480
conscious almost intelligent almost eric

1102
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:34,079
dollard apparently did an experiment

1103
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,960
with plasma

1104
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:37,280
and took a photo of what looks like a

1105
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,079
little

1106
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:40,240
spirit in the air next to it that he

1107
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,440
couldn't explain

1108
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,119
i don't know what to make of that either

1109
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,280
but i'm curious if you have any thoughts

1110
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:47,359
on this quality of plasma

1111
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,599
being lifelike and what that could imply

1112
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,720
yes i mean people have generally

1113
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,760
experienced

1114
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:58,000
those plasma balls the novelty plasma

1115
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:59,040
balls

1116
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:00,319
and you'll notice the electrical

1117
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,520
discharges in them are filamentary

1118
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:06,079
and they snake about and of course you

1119
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,680
put a finger on the

1120
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,400
glass envelope and they'll head to your

1121
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,839
finger

1122
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,240
so they do have this sort of life-like

1123
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,960
appearance or quality

1124
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,800
and of course the ancients who witnessed

1125
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,319
the plasma phenomena

1126
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,440
quite startling and frightening

1127
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:26,480
times and majestic at others plasma

1128
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,520
phenomena

1129
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:30,800
in the skies towards the poles

1130
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,240
rather like an amazing auroral display

1131
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:37,440
but when it's in space the plasma will

1132
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,160
take on

1133
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,440
various forms and one of them is the

1134
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:43,280
squatter man one

1135
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,200
which is detailed in tony pratt's work

1136
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,599
and he points out that the squatter man

1137
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:51,760
is actually a plasma formation

1138
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,440
where you have two sort of disc

1139
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:58,800
shaped forms of the plasma

1140
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:02,079
centered on a glowing column

1141
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,240
and the edges of the disks

1142
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,280
turn upwards now because the plasma is

1143
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,520
you can see through it partially because

1144
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:13,760
it's a glow discharge

1145
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,359
it looks like a figure

1146
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:20,400
with a head and up raised arms

1147
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,079
and outstretched legs so you've got the

1148
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,480
arms up at right angles to the body and

1149
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:28,079
the legs are stretched at right angles

1150
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,119
to the body

1151
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,520
and they call it the squatter man and

1152
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,440
that's worldwide

1153
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:36,160
and it's a very well-known form of a

1154
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,800
plasma

1155
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,160
instability but it also has other forms

1156
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,480
and it progresses through them

1157
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,440
and all of these are represented in

1158
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,640
ancient art and

1159
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,680
particularly in the most ancient

1160
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,480
civilizations like the egyptians with

1161
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,440
their

1162
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,240
kind of backbone letter to heaven the

1163
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,079
letter to heaven came from this

1164
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,880
picture of a plasma discharge stretching

1165
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:02,560
up into the sky

1166
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,079
away from the earth so the life-like

1167
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:07,920
characteristics were transferred

1168
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:10,960
to were anthropomorphized

1169
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,640
in other words so man was made in the

1170
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:16,720
image of god well the god was a plasma

1171
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,200
god

1172
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,839
and of course it looked like a man with

1173
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,520
his arms and legs

1174
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,440
outstretched over the earth and

1175
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,000
stretching up into the heavens

1176
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,839
and so you begin to understand what they

1177
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,280
were trying to talk about when they talk

1178
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:31,040
about the kingdom of heaven and whatnot

1179
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:31,839
it was

1180
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,119
they witnessed things being constructed

1181
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,160
in the plasma formations in the sky the

1182
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,480
pyramids were built to echo the

1183
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,119
effect of a column which is lit on one

1184
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,480
side and dark on the other

1185
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:47,119
and stretching up into the sky like a

1186
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:48,079
triangular

1187
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,240
shape with the pinnacle pointing towards

1188
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,079
planet mars and us at the base

1189
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,119
and you get the idea of the world

1190
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,640
mountain

1191
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:03,839
the navel of the world the navel of

1192
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:06,880
the whole idea of the world tree this

1193
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,200
tree that's stretched into heaven right

1194
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:10,880
so all of these

1195
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,079
sort of biological overtones to the

1196
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,400
description of plasma

1197
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,960
things in the sky had a reason and that

1198
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:20,720
is the lifelike

1199
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,160
behavior of plasma interesting

1200
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,000
i was going to take that a different

1201
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,079
direction just because i hear so many

1202
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,280
researchers

1203
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,560
sort of use the terms electricity and

1204
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,960
even ether and consciousness in

1205
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,040
different contexts that all sort of

1206
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,720
circle around what sounds like

1207
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:41,520
there's oftentimes saying the same thing

1208
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,160
some people

1209
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,160
use those terms almost interchangeably

1210
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,599
to a degree well

1211
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,319
my thought was if irving coined the term

1212
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,160
plasmid described ionized

1213
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,359
gas electrically charged gas i guess is

1214
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,440
what we could say and found it to seem

1215
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,359
lifelike it does make me wonder if

1216
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,760
consciousness and electricity

1217
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,839
might be the same thing or at least

1218
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,319
entangled that maybe charging a gas

1219
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:07,119
might even cause consciousness to emerge

1220
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,319
within it

1221
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,150
well in the electric universe i'm keen

1222
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,920
to define

1223
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,040
my terms terms that are not defined in

1224
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:21,520
modern physics

1225
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,119
and one of the things about the ether

1226
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:28,480
is that it is an absolute necessity

1227
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,160
you cannot have electromagnetic waves

1228
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,119
traveling through a pure vacuum in other

1229
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:37,440
words there's nothing there

1230
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,640
and it seems crazy to me that we even

1231
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:42,960
contemplate such a thing when it's known

1232
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:46,240
that the vacuum has the characteristics

1233
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:46,560
of

1234
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,119
a dielectric material it is material

1235
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,240
now at the time when i was

1236
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,160
getting involved with velikovsky there

1237
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,359
was a

1238
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,480
small monograph put out by a

1239
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,720
dr horace dudley who was a radiation

1240
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:03,920
physicist

1241
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,040
and he proposed the idea that the

1242
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,480
ether as it's called is a material

1243
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:13,520
medium and it's made up of neutrinos

1244
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:17,520
now that made sense to me simply because

1245
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,280
neutrinos must if they exist and they've

1246
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:23,280
been shown to exist

1247
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,960
experimentally they must

1248
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:30,160
be composed of normal matter just like

1249
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,200
everything else

1250
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,359
but in a state where it has very low

1251
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,240
energy very low mass

1252
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,119
and once i accepted that idea this was

1253
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:41,520
horace dudley's proposal that

1254
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,480
we live in a you know the universe is

1255
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,520
not empty it's full

1256
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:48,240
it's full of this neutrino sea if you

1257
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:48,720
like an

1258
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:52,880
ocean of neutrinos and

1259
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:56,560
once you had that idea in your mind

1260
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,000
you could understand then how

1261
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,599
a particle and its so-called

1262
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,200
anti-particle which is a complete

1263
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,119
misnomer

1264
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,680
can suddenly pop into existence they

1265
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,520
don't pop into existence

1266
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,440
they are the result of a neutrino

1267
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:13,440
accepting energy and then splitting in

1268
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,240
two

1269
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,720
into a positive and negative particle

1270
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,240
with identical

1271
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,520
characteristics the artberry idea of an

1272
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,680
antiparticle is nonsense because one of

1273
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:25,040
the principles of physics

1274
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:28,240
says you cannot magically create or

1275
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:28,880
destroy

1276
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,640
matter and if you give up that principle

1277
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,400
then you're not doing physics

1278
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,240
so that's been the case for the last

1279
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,720
century or more

1280
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:40,880
so the ether is necessary if it is a

1281
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,000
material medium and it's made up of

1282
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,079
positive and negative charge smaller

1283
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:48,480
ones not the electron and proton we're

1284
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,200
talking about

1285
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,079
another level down if you like it's a

1286
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,400
repeated pattern and this is typical of

1287
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,920
how the universe operates it has

1288
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,400
repeated patterns a successful pattern

1289
00:48:02,950 --> 00:47:59,680
in one

1290
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,960
dimension one level of existence can be

1291
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:03,520
seen

1292
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:06,800
in the lower and possibly an upper

1293
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,910
anyway having sorted that out i then

1294
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,440
realized that

1295
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,800
mata because it is a resonant system of

1296
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,960
charged particles if it wasn't resonant

1297
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,240
they would just fly apart and it

1298
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,319
wouldn't exist

1299
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,160
that means all the particles exchange

1300
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,240
energy between themselves

1301
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,200
in an orbit like in an atom and the

1302
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,040
reason the electrons don't just

1303
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,000
dissipate energy and fall into the

1304
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:37,760
nucleus

1305
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,960
because

1306
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,280
they exchange energy in real time which

1307
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,599
means the electric force must operate in

1308
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:46,800
real time

1309
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:50,480
no speed of light delay instantaneous

1310
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:54,000
this means that gravity for instance is

1311
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,839
an electric force because it operates in

1312
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:58,160
real time newton's law doesn't include

1313
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,599
time or t in the equation

1314
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:04,160
all of these things give you some

1315
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:04,880
impression

1316
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,240
that all the things that are considered

1317
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:09,920
to be

1318
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,280
science like esp

1319
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,760
remote viewing and so on can be

1320
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,839
understood in terms of the same kind of

1321
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,359
signaling that keep the

1322
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,319
planets in their orbits about the sun

1323
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,280
only this time at a biological level

1324
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,000
and this kind of signaling is necessary

1325
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,000
instantaneous signaling between all

1326
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,559
similar molecules in the body

1327
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:34,800
instantaneously to maintain control

1328
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:38,720
of an incredibly complex series of

1329
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,920
chemical reactions that are taking place

1330
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,240
all the time in your body there's

1331
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,839
trillions of things going on

1332
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,400
at any instant and to maintain coherence

1333
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,760
and therefore

1334
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,800
remain alive requires that they all

1335
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,440
know what's going on throughout the body

1336
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:57,839
so you get this mind

1337
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,119
connection is instantaneous and bruce

1338
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,440
lipton the cellular biologist has shown

1339
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:04,240
that

1340
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,480
the cell walls have receptors

1341
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,520
now some of those receptors operate on

1342
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,440
the basis of signals in the blood

1343
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,680
you know hormones and other triggers

1344
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:16,880
which then

1345
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,000
determine what the cell should do

1346
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,760
but he said there are receptors that

1347
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,079
don't seem to

1348
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:26,400
be associated with anything in the body

1349
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,599
inside the body but

1350
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,599
i seem to receive signals from outside

1351
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,440
and this comes down then to

1352
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,000
rupert sheldrake the outstanding

1353
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,839
biologist who has looked at what's

1354
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,720
called the morphogenetic field

1355
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,720
and then you begin to understand that a

1356
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,079
living system

1357
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:45,359
is there's more than meets the eye to

1358
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,079
a living creature and that is that it

1359
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:50,160
has a morphogenetic field it has a

1360
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:50,720
pattern

1361
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,480
which it is built to it's constructed

1362
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:56,160
based on a pattern that pre-exists in

1363
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,000
the ether if you like

1364
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,800
so life and consciousness and memory

1365
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,920
according to

1366
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:04,079
people like bruce lipton and rupert

1367
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,359
sheldrak

1368
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:08,800
has this other

1369
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,160
existence at a more

1370
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,599
what would you call more fundamental

1371
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,200
level

1372
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,200
you get a completely different idea of

1373
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:18,880
life and death

1374
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,640
episode in the

1375
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:25,200
life if you like at a more fundamental

1376
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,839
level

1377
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,480
and i think people have always had this

1378
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:30,000
impression that there is more to life

1379
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,960
than meets the eye

1380
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:33,440
you know there is a higher self a soul

1381
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,079
or

1382
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,800
that kind of thing and if this were

1383
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,079
actually believed

1384
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,520
and utilized by science we would have a

1385
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,200
much better health system

1386
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,960
it would not be an illness system it

1387
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,960
would be a health system and also

1388
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:49,200
people would not have this existential

1389
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,000
fear of

1390
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:53,280
death you know

1391
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,480
death is a part of life but it's not the

1392
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:57,760
end of anything

1393
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:01,680
and i think if people felt that and also

1394
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:05,119
the universe in my opinion appears to

1395
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:08,559
need purpose in other words you were

1396
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:09,440
born

1397
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,800
with a purpose but of course our

1398
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,359
society our cultures and our education

1399
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,119
knock that out of us

1400
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,040
it's only those who are lucky enough to

1401
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:21,119
stumble on what their purpose is

1402
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,200
or it's so strongly in them when they're

1403
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:25,839
born that they become a mozart or

1404
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,119
you know some other amazing genius

1405
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,559
you know it's inexplicable otherwise yes

1406
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,960
yes and i've heard about some people

1407
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:36,640
instituting new

1408
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,760
educational models where they say if you

1409
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:41,119
pay attention to

1410
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,559
small children they will express some

1411
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,960
sort of talent that that's the adult's

1412
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,880
job to notice is like hey you're really

1413
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,440
good at x

1414
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,440
y or z but instead they put us in a

1415
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,720
school system where

1416
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,160
they teach to the least common

1417
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:56,240
denominator and everybody must spread

1418
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:56,880
their

1419
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,240
bandwidth

1420
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,240
across all these subjects that they

1421
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,359
don't care about

1422
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,000
when really if they focused on the one

1423
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:08,000
thing that seems to be trying to pour

1424
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,880
out of them

1425
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,880
they could be that mozart or something

1426
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,280
oh yes yes yes we're all

1427
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,400
amazing individuals and we come with a

1428
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:18,559
purpose to learn something

1429
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:22,079
generally and it's interesting for me

1430
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,880
because

1431
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,200
these ideas have dawned on me slowly

1432
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:26,880
over the years but the more

1433
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:30,079
the older i get the more i realize that

1434
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:30,960
i'm where i am

1435
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:33,200
only because i followed my intuition and

1436
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:34,480
the intuition

1437
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:38,000
your feelings are the guide

1438
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,760
and i've always paid attention to my

1439
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:43,680
children and grandchildren to see what

1440
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,880
it is that excites them what is it that

1441
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,200
they feel they want to get involved in

1442
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,720
or to do

1443
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,319
so if they show an interest you know

1444
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,240
i've seen a grandchild

1445
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,640
who knew they wanted to play the violin

1446
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:58,160
at a very early age and

1447
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:01,520
insisted and so her mother

1448
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:04,240
took her along and sure enough she was

1449
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,359
very good

1450
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,680
at the violin that doesn't mean that

1451
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,520
that's what she will continue to do but

1452
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:10,880
if you follow these

1453
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,000
clues from the child listen to them

1454
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,640
and not try and force your ideas on them

1455
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,400
that person has a better chance of

1456
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:19,520
fulfilling

1457
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:22,880
their lives and that is the thing

1458
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,920
which will make people happy

1459
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,400
not the industrialized education system

1460
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:30,880
which has resulted in an industrialized

1461
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,800
science and that industrialized science

1462
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:36,480
is so

1463
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,000
naive that it's actually dangerous

1464
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,880
we can see that and by not understanding

1465
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,760
ourselves

1466
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,480
we continue to behave as velikovsky

1467
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,000
pointed out

1468
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,480
irrationally he said all of humanity

1469
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,720
behaves irrationally

1470
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,960
and the danger that he saw was that this

1471
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,839
irrationality could drive us to

1472
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,160
our own destruction we are our own worst

1473
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,920
enemy and that's something that was also

1474
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,119
echoed by

1475
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,920
the famous psychologist and psychiatrist

1476
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,440
carl jung

1477
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,920
who identified these things that haunt

1478
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:11,920
us from the past

1479
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,119
and one of the major ones is this sort

1480
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:17,200
of post-traumatic stress disorder of

1481
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:17,920
having

1482
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:21,359
lived through doomsday and i look back

1483
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:21,920
over

1484
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,640
my life and i can see that ever since i

1485
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:26,319
was very young there was always

1486
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,760
a doomsday story we had to be afraid of

1487
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,480
this or

1488
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,319
that or the other we seem to be in a

1489
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,680
couple of those right now

1490
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,520
oh yeah we've got one right now and so

1491
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,160
we've got a mass psychosis

1492
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,079
the things that we're being told by the

1493
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,160
media and that and the politicians

1494
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:45,119
it's got nothing to do with science it's

1495
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,119
a psychosis

1496
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,720
and it was the same thing of course that

1497
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,240
drove hitler and

1498
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,760
the other madmen of the past uh

1499
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,480
you know and of course it's the madmen

1500
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,160
who take advantage of these

1501
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,359
situations yes

1502
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,480
well said amen to a lot of the things

1503
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,000
that you just said there

1504
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,480
and you mentioned health and i am

1505
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,640
curious if the electric universe

1506
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,720
understanding has any implications for

1507
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,160
human health and wellness

1508
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:16,000
obviously that's been a big theme over

1509
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,280
the last year and a half

1510
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,520
i've had a lot of guests who think that

1511
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,920
like cosmology the science of medicine

1512
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,520
and health is way off track from where

1513
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,559
it should be

1514
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:26,079
we should be treating the body

1515
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:27,599
holistically and

1516
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,839
some say energetically or electrically

1517
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:31,520
with light and frequency

1518
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,720
yes there were rife devices and studies

1519
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:36,400
like this one that i jotted down where

1520
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,040
it says

1521
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,000
a study by arizona state university

1522
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:42,319
along with researchers at john hopkins

1523
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,280
university

1524
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,160
shows how strong blasts of visible light

1525
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:47,839
from a low power laser

1526
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:50,720
can kill viruses laser technique appears

1527
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:52,960
to be more successful than other methods

1528
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,640
at killing viruses and also poses less

1529
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,359
harm

1530
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,520
to healthy tissue and i'm seeing more

1531
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,359
stuff like this all the time

1532
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,520
and i wonder if you or your colleagues

1533
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,280
have looked at health and disease from

1534
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:07,040
an electrical or frequency-based

1535
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,760
standpoint

1536
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,079
and considered that western medicine has

1537
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:11,520
got it all wrong

1538
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,960
yes all of our science is a dismal

1539
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,000
failure at present

1540
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,359
simply because the experts in one field

1541
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,440
mislead the experts in another field

1542
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,200
with the things they don't know they

1543
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,559
don't know

1544
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:27,680
and the result is it's a babble

1545
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,960
of nonsense generally but

1546
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:33,280
with the industrialized education and

1547
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:34,160
scientific

1548
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,839
regime our hospitals are industrialized

1549
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,160
i mean you get this sense of abandon and

1550
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,240
hope all you enter here

1551
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,000
when you enter a hospital or at least i

1552
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,000
do because they have no

1553
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,119
idea of the mind-body connection and

1554
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:51,680
also the fact that consciousness and so

1555
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,319
on exists beyond the body

1556
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:57,200
and that they deal more like mechanics

1557
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,680
you know

1558
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,599
if this bit's not working we'll just cut

1559
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,920
it out or we'll zap it with radiation or

1560
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,760
chemicals or whatever

1561
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,839
it's got nothing to do with the way life

1562
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,200
operates

1563
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:10,319
for instance when we talk about

1564
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,760
immunity from viruses we're always in

1565
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,599
this war against

1566
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:18,240
nature and the only one that's going to

1567
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:18,799
lose

1568
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:22,160
is us because nature is far more subtle

1569
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,549
current biological scientist understands

1570
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:33,359
although many of them have intuited it

1571
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,760
and

1572
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:36,240
many medical practitioners also have

1573
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,440
intuited that

1574
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,480
there's more to it than just chemical

1575
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,119
interference

1576
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,440
one of the things i'm hoping is that

1577
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:46,720
when

1578
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,079
the electric universe

1579
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,000
revolution takes place because it is a

1580
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,319
revolution that's unparalleled

1581
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:56,559
the understanding it's a cultural shift

1582
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,359
as big as

1583
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:59,119
anything or probably bigger than

1584
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,480
anything in the past

1585
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:03,359
because at last we understand what our

1586
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,160
ancient

1587
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:06,160
forefathers were desperate for us to

1588
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,599
learn

1589
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,240
and in the process we begin to

1590
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,680
understand our real place in the

1591
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,280
universe and our perspective on

1592
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,640
everything

1593
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:17,520
will change and that change will be for

1594
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:18,559
the better

1595
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,319
simply because we recognize ourselves as

1596
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:25,359
conscious beings in a conscious universe

1597
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:28,559
with a purpose and most people today

1598
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,119
have

1599
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,160
no purpose they sort of make they try

1600
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:33,680
and fill their days with

1601
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,400
either acquisition of things or

1602
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:38,000
entertainment

1603
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,160
whereas if they could follow

1604
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,480
find and follow their purpose their life

1605
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:46,160
would be fulfilling and we wouldn't have

1606
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,680
all of the divisions and

1607
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,440
all the nonsense that's going on right

1608
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,119
now

1609
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:54,079
this is my hope for the future and uh at

1610
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:55,200
present i'm writing

1611
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:00,000
the book which will lay all of this out

1612
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,440
yes i heard you mentioned that in a

1613
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,119
previous interview

1614
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,520
what more can you say about this next

1615
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:07,200
book because it seems to be

1616
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,960
one that is going to look at many

1617
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:11,119
different aspects and try to take that

1618
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,839
full-on

1619
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:14,640
holistic approach to kind of explaining

1620
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,160
everything that's the gist that i

1621
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,079
seem to be picking up on yes this book

1622
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,359
will be different to

1623
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:21,599
the things i've written in the past

1624
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:22,480
because

1625
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,520
i've got a research assistant who is

1626
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:26,880
doing an amazing job

1627
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,760
in tracking down the differences the

1628
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,720
history

1629
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,799
of ideas and showing how the electric

1630
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,920
universe

1631
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,000
at every step has been able to either

1632
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:38,480
predict or explain things simply

1633
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:42,000
while the mainstream view of things the

1634
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:45,599
conventional consensus view has

1635
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,559
only hit one brick wall after another

1636
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:50,480
and been unsuccessful in predicting

1637
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:51,040
anything

1638
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,160
that's been written before but because

1639
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,240
it has this historical background and

1640
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:00,640
looking at

1641
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:03,760
characters in the past it should be very

1642
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,720
readable

1643
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,480
you don't need any mathematics all you

1644
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:08,000
need to do is to be able to piece

1645
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:09,040
together

1646
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,200
a coherent story which shows everything

1647
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,280
like a huge jigsaw puzzle with all the

1648
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,200
pieces in place so that you actually see

1649
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,040
the entire picture

1650
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,079
modern science today is a whole set of

1651
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:24,079
jigsaw pieces you know scattered on the

1652
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,280
floor

1653
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:31,030
right on well just so much information

1654
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:32,400
one of the last things i wanted to ask

1655
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:33,520
you about was

1656
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,440
the grid obviously tesla had some

1657
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:37,280
thoughts but given what you know about

1658
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,000
electricity

1659
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,720
would you rework our power grid are we

1660
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,240
going about harnessing it

1661
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:45,119
the wrong way are we vulnerable to the

1662
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,319
sun's energy

1663
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,400
in that regard what do you think about

1664
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,119
the way we harness electricity

1665
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,880
here on the planet and maybe how we

1666
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:54,960
could do it better

1667
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,039
it's pretty primitive in many regards

1668
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,920
the sapphire experiment has shown that

1669
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:02,880
we can produce

1670
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:05,440
power supplies of almost any size you

1671
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:06,079
want

1672
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:09,599
it's scalable so you could power

1673
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:13,760
cities or neighborhoods or whatever

1674
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:16,880
you would not need in fact it would be

1675
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,880
a waste of money having national grids

1676
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:23,520
you don't need to do that you can

1677
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,000
provide

1678
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,119
power on a very localized basis

1679
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,960
it would also make a huge difference

1680
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:30,480
down here in australia because of all

1681
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:30,799
the

1682
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,280
bushfires serious bushfires that are

1683
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:34,720
started by

1684
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:38,079
transmission lines that fail or arc to

1685
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,359
the ground

1686
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:42,240
yeah california too yeah but that's

1687
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:43,760
really interesting so just

1688
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,319
before i let you go if you were to

1689
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:47,680
approach

1690
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,920
the task of powering a neighborhood

1691
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,599
with what you've discovered in the

1692
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:55,599
sapphire project

1693
01:03:03,589 --> 01:02:59,599
how much room would you need for that

1694
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,599
device or that mini electric star

1695
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,839
to power a neighborhood and and how

1696
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:07,440
would it get to the houses just through

1697
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:08,960
typical wiring through this

1698
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:12,160
to the central electric star yes there's

1699
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:12,799
no

1700
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,680
need to make it complicated you just use

1701
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:17,200
wiring

1702
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,640
to the people who need it or the

1703
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:22,640
industry or devices or whatever

1704
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:25,839
that needs it and the

1705
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,520
sapphire reactor is quite compact

1706
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:32,319
you know so you could have i suppose

1707
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,799
something

1708
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,559
the size of a shipping container could

1709
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:36,559
do quite a number of

1710
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,160
houses i would imagine wow and tesla

1711
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,160
seemed to think there was a way to

1712
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,880
get electricity wirelessly could that be

1713
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:46,240
implemented or is that

1714
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:50,240
not really no no i'm not interested in

1715
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,160
interfering with the electromagnetic

1716
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:54,480
spectrum it's already a mess

1717
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,319
and no biologist knows what effect

1718
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:00,880
an electromagnetic signal will have on a

1719
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:02,960
biological system

1720
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,119
simply because they don't understand the

1721
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,280
sort of quantum level resonant

1722
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,079
structures and signaling that goes on in

1723
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:12,000
a biological system

1724
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,520
i think the only reason we've survived

1725
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,520
so long is that the signaling is the

1726
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,880
same kind

1727
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,960
as tesla was using that is the

1728
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,559
longitudinal

1729
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,760
wave type signaling and

1730
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:25,599
when i say wave it's not actually a wave

1731
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:30,710
so there is no such thing as a

1732
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:32,079
gravitational wave

1733
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,599
as such right yeah

1734
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,480
i mean that's interesting our our phone

1735
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:40,400
company is and electric companies they

1736
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:41,200
seem to just

1737
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,599
willy-nilly throw out all kinds of uh

1738
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:45,359
signals into our environment

1739
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,480
oh yes yes elon musk's trying to do his

1740
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,400
star net thing it's like i don't know

1741
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,920
that is so safe because there is a

1742
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,039
relationship between

1743
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:56,000
biology and electricity it's not safe

1744
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,640
because

1745
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,119
they don't understand what they're doing

1746
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,200
the biologists don't understand

1747
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,839
life and the radiation guys don't

1748
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:05,280
understand

1749
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:08,319
what what the connection is between an

1750
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:09,839
electromagnetic signal

1751
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:12,430
and one of these biological signals

1752
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,599
[Music]

1753
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,119
well we got all kinds of problems to

1754
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,839
work out it seems but oh yes yes

1755
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,760
one of the exciting things for me is

1756
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,160
that the number of questions that i

1757
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:24,480
raise and the possibilities that i put

1758
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,680
forward

1759
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,240
could keep multiple universities going

1760
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:30,720
for a century

1761
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,000
i agree definitely but this has been a

1762
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:36,319
serious pleasure once again i definitely

1763
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,359
think there are

1764
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,200
many alternative areas of study that

1765
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:41,359
seem to be overlapping and coming to

1766
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:41,920
similar

1767
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,400
understandings way more often than i was

1768
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:46,400
seeing even five years ago when we last

1769
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,119
talked so

1770
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,960
it's an exciting time to be alive i

1771
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:50,559
would say thanks for

1772
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,000
taking the time to share your thoughts

1773
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:54,319
with us before we call it in give people

1774
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,599
any information

1775
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,839
they might need important links or

1776
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,119
anything to follow up

1777
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:01,359
on what you might have going on in the

1778
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:02,720
future on top of that book you're

1779
01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:04,240
working on

1780
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,760
well the main public interface is

1781
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,640
thunderbolts.info

1782
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:11,359
my own website which is being looked

1783
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:12,799
after by the same

1784
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,839
outfit i'm pleased to say is

1785
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:19,359
holoscience.com

1786
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:22,240
if people want to follow the progress of

1787
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:23,280
the

1788
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:28,240
orion.ca

1789
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:31,359
for canada a u r e o

1790
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,520
n dot c a very cool

1791
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,520
great resources and people if you

1792
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,440
haven't read the electric universe book

1793
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:41,839
by now it's been out a decade it's about

1794
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:42,880
time

1795
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,520
but man this has been a lot of fun your

1796
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,359
work and time is very much appreciated

1797
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,720
keep doing what you do out there and

1798
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:49,920
take care

1799
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:56,150
oh my my good people of the internet the

1800
01:07:02,789 --> 01:06:58,960
return of the thunderbolts project

1801
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:02,799
co-parent wal thornhill riding along the

1802
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:05,440
cutting edge of the new paradigm

1803
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,599
and for me the electric universe model

1804
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:09,440
does feel right or at least way

1805
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:12,640
more right than the conventional one

1806
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:21,349
no mathematical gymnastics no needing to

1807
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:22,079
shoehorn

1808
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:25,200
in equations to get the pieces to fit

1809
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:27,520
it just seems to make sense and it's a

1810
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,400
much more

1811
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,520
elegant and simplified model kind of

1812
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:33,839
jobs with the hollow fractal stuff too i

1813
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:34,319
mean

1814
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:37,440
as above so below the same

1815
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,880
principles of nature at different scales

1816
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:43,119
i'm into it and it was great to get

1817
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,280
deeper into the sapphire project too

1818
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:47,039
something that's been mentioned here

1819
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,799
many times the old plasma star in a jar

1820
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,559
sounds like the experiment was an

1821
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:54,799
over-the-top success

1822
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:57,039
i am excited to see that turn into a new

1823
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:58,319
energy source that

1824
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:01,440
makes its way onto the main stage in so

1825
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,720
many areas i think

1826
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,880
conventional models are at the end of

1827
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,880
the road and the people who have bought

1828
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:09,119
into them are scratching their heads and

1829
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:12,319
the alternatives are catching up maybe

1830
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:13,200
i'm in a bit of an

1831
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:16,400
alternative bubble but it feels like

1832
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,520
we're making progress also today the

1833
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:21,679
living plasma stuff was fun

1834
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:25,839
bashing industrialized education was fun

1835
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,120
and biological transmutation

1836
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,880
also some really good points were made

1837
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:32,799
about that maybe we don't have to look

1838
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:36,000
that hard to find evidence of alchemy

1839
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,839
i've been so focused on the outer world

1840
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:39,600
but it seems like it's been right there

1841
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:40,560
in the inner world

1842
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,239
all along i like that

1843
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,839
maybe there were a couple of places

1844
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,480
where my question started to get a bit

1845
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,159
too radical but hey

1846
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:53,679
we ask so that we can find the line

1847
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:56,159
i wanted to talk to wahl again but of

1848
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:57,920
course never want to rehash

1849
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,799
the same stuff we've talked about before

1850
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,719
so i didn't want to get too fundamental

1851
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:03,679
about the

1852
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,319
overall electric universe model but

1853
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:08,080
there are still a lot of things on the

1854
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,199
edges that we

1855
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,520
got to talk about that help me to fill

1856
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,040
in the picture

1857
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,920
and how about that little side note that

1858
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:17,839
the person who coined the term plasma

1859
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:20,000
was defining ionized gas

1860
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,159
which relates to george wiseman in the

1861
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:23,920
plasma state of water

1862
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,960
ionized brown's gas maybe that's a

1863
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:28,480
little basic maybe that's

1864
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,759
high school science 101 maybe everyone

1865
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:33,679
knows that plasma is

1866
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,560
technically ionized gas but i thought it

1867
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,880
was a nice sink

1868
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,560
lots of people have been asking me for

1869
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,440
updates on the aqua cure machine

1870
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,520
for me it's still a little too early to

1871
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,159
say i've only worked up to the full 20

1872
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:50,319
minute sessions three times a day

1873
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:53,359
for a couple of days now my sinuses have

1874
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,759
been

1875
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:55,760
really terrible lately maybe you can

1876
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:58,320
tell so i'm hoping to get some relief

1877
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,360
there

1878
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,880
i don't think this is something that's

1879
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,880
gonna heal my deaf ear i really didn't

1880
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,040
think that was gonna happen

1881
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,199
that's probably gonna be soul retrieval

1882
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:09,360
through shamanic healing

1883
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,400
whole another story but with the aqua

1884
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,880
cure i would be completely satisfied if

1885
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,159
i just never had

1886
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,320
bad sinuses again that is what i'm

1887
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,000
looking for

1888
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,239
i could say that the 20-minute sessions

1889
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,360
do

1890
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,239
make me feel maybe a little light-headed

1891
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:28,080
i could say that i do feel like i have

1892
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,400
some

1893
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,400
excess energy which is great because i'm

1894
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,120
usually running on fumes

1895
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,760
i give the bubbled water to the pets and

1896
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:37,280
i don't really know how to assess how

1897
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,239
that's going

1898
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,520
the cats were and still are fine the dog

1899
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,840
is 15 years old and has had a really

1900
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:45,440
rough time getting around

1901
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:48,320
the past six months and for the last

1902
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,199
three months

1903
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,080
she's had seizures pretty much every 30

1904
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,080
to 35 days

1905
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:56,159
and so that's something we can actually

1906
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,440
check and see

1907
01:11:01,350 --> 01:11:00,080
if we can make some progress on it's

1908
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,360
measurable

1909
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:03,840
but the problem is that the brown's gas

1910
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,080
bubbled water is not the only change

1911
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:07,679
we've made she's getting

1912
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,840
more cbd and other natural seizure

1913
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:12,080
remedies

1914
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,840
same with my sinuses though i've been

1915
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,920
cutting way back on alcohol which

1916
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:18,320
contains histamine in most cases and i

1917
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,960
got a new

1918
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:21,520
allergy mushroom blend kind of thing so

1919
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,159
again

1920
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,880
it is hard to peg a fix to one thing or

1921
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,159
another

1922
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,000
but george was really convincing to me

1923
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:29,760
and he says now that he's sold out he's

1924
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:30,480
on a seven

1925
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,320
week delay so huge response from us

1926
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,320
i hope those machines do help a lot of

1927
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:37,840
people

1928
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,880
the sad thing to me is just how

1929
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,800
this shows how many people have issues

1930
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:45,199
and can't get solves from conventional

1931
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,480
medicine

1932
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:49,920
i know that price tag was steep and

1933
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,719
as i said definitely let thc be the

1934
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,679
introduction

1935
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,560
to george wiseman and the aqua cure but

1936
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,960
don't let it be the end of the research

1937
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,880
that's too much pressure for me

1938
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,280
do more digging before you buy a 2 000

1939
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,040
machine

1940
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,880
and it's been a few weeks and so far

1941
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:08,800
nobody has sent me

1942
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,080
any legitimate negative reviews

1943
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:14,640
or breakdowns of the machine that say

1944
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,239
it's not legitimate so i feel good

1945
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,880
anyone can say oh you're a shill or this

1946
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:22,640
is snake oil

1947
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,840
but i'm talking about some kind of

1948
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,320
legitimate detailed

1949
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:29,360
breakdown that makes a case that this is

1950
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,239
a fraud and

1951
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,040
that i haven't seen hell of a tangent

1952
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,960
but yes i feel good

1953
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,840
let me go a few more weeks and we'll see

1954
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,600
i just wanted to slide a little update

1955
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:40,640
in there because

1956
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:43,760
plasma did come up but i'm a big fan of

1957
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:44,159
wall

1958
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:47,040
he is a good sport willing to talk about

1959
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,719
some pretty far out stuff

1960
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:50,719
while still remaining a serious

1961
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:53,520
scientific person not an easy line to

1962
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,640
walk

1963
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,400
and we got into some great additional

1964
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:58,080
stuff in the plush show if you missed

1965
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,280
the second half

1966
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:01,440
we talked about how the earth's

1967
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,320
saltwater

1968
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,800
came from the rings of saturn ancient

1969
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:07,199
accounts of two suns or saturn is the

1970
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:08,080
sun

1971
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:09,840
what signs have been observed that

1972
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,640
relate to the electric universe model

1973
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:14,719
cosmic rays coming from the antarctic

1974
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,840
ice

1975
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:17,600
how the scientific and academic

1976
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,600
communities have responded

1977
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:21,600
or not responded to the sapphire

1978
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,679
project's results

1979
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:26,000
how the electric universe model handles

1980
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:28,159
so many bodies out there but only life

1981
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,360
on earth

1982
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,360
how the moon landing could have happened

1983
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:33,120
while working with such an incorrect

1984
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,080
model

1985
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,920
other clues that are on saturn and

1986
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,440
jupiter's moons

1987
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,440
what the electric universe model says

1988
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:40,960
about saturn's

1989
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:44,640
hexagonal polar storm and walls thoughts

1990
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,159
on a potential grand solar minimum

1991
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:50,159
intriguing and provocative stuff added

1992
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,920
to the stack

1993
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,000
nothing new here we do it week after

1994
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:55,760
week don't know why eight dollars would

1995
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:58,239
keep you from hearing the whole thing

1996
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,159
but you've heard it all before sign up

1997
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,520
for thc plus

1998
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,679
in times like these it is a small but

1999
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,080
meaningful revolutionary act

2000
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:07,920
feed the things you want to grow and

2001
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,480
starve the things you want to go

2002
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,400
and if you can't do that at least share

2003
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:14,880
the show i don't request that very often

2004
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:17,920
because the show does what it does and i

2005
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,520
do all right

2006
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:21,760
but every new listener is a greater

2007
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:24,159
impact for our guests and some of the

2008
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:25,560
revolutionary

2009
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:28,239
paradigm-changing things they bring up

2010
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:29,520
it all helps to

2011
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:35,199
little fuel on the alternative fire

2012
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:37,840
again i think we are making inroads in

2013
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,960
so many different areas and the system

2014
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,679
is stagnant it's a beautiful thing i

2015
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,360
don't know why i'm all fired up but i

2016
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:48,000
am these are the ideas that will build

2017
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:49,040
the new world

2018
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,719
i have really started to believe that

2019
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:52,400
because all the conventional

2020
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,239
western industrialized corporate

2021
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:56,480
processes models and products

2022
01:15:03,030 --> 01:14:59,840
are failing you play a big hand

2023
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,040
and you show your cards

2024
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,360
i mean even ones that are still thriving

2025
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:06,640
like amazon

2026
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:10,480
they're definitely losing the pr war

2027
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:13,280
their employees and their customers hate

2028
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:14,560
them

2029
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,880
so if we actually voted with our dollar

2030
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:18,800
we could change it all

2031
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,000
yadda yadda good times today though

2032
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,760
clearly me and wall have a bit of a

2033
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,760
disagreement on the moon landing

2034
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,679
i would think the fact that their models

2035
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:28,800
are so wrong

2036
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:32,000
would only add to the stack of how that

2037
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:33,199
mission

2038
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,560
actually could realistically be possible

2039
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:38,480
but walt was a lot closer to the data at

2040
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,600
the time and is a lot smarter than i am

2041
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:43,760
he also made a good point that new

2042
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,719
knowledge

2043
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,480
that apparently came out of the apollo

2044
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,880
missions was contradictory to what they

2045
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:50,560
expected

2046
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,719
and that is a good point that supports

2047
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,560
wahl's position but my counterpoints

2048
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:56,159
would be

2049
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,040
well maybe they had to show some new

2050
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:01,280
discoveries to validate the reasoning

2051
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:01,920
for

2052
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,760
money

2053
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,280
maybe they made discoveries through

2054
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,040
other means that

2055
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,120
pushed them to alter their models and

2056
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,360
they just used the apollo missions

2057
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,920
as a window of opportunity to implement

2058
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:17,120
them

2059
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,800
or maybe we went to the moon with

2060
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:20,159
technology that they didn't want to

2061
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,120
disclose

2062
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:23,040
and the secret space program is alive

2063
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:24,480
and well

2064
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:26,400
who knows really but i at least liked

2065
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,159
asking wall about it and he made some

2066
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:30,080
good points

2067
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,840
follow up with the thunderbolts project

2068
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,080
and the sapphire project websites if you

2069
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:35,920
want to stay current on what they got

2070
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:37,280
going on

2071
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:39,199
talk to your city council about getting

2072
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,640
a star in the jar to power the

2073
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,239
neighborhood

2074
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:44,239
i had a good time i hope you did too

2075
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:45,520
take care of you and yours and i'm

2076
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,960
getting out of here

2077
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,800
your move stubborn scientists

2078
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:51,120
industrialized education institutions

2079
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:54,560
and plasma cosmology concealers

2080
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,719
your [\h__\h] move

2081
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,080
woke up this morning with

2082
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:05,120
light in my eyes

2083
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:09,199
and then realized it was dark

2084
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:15,790
it was light

2085
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:30,870
must be those strangers that

2086
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:34,640
come every night whose

2087
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,040
sausage shaped light put people

2088
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,560
up tight leave

2089
01:18:00,480 --> 01:17:52,340
[Music]

2090
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:00,490
hey mr spaceman

2091
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:02,159
[Music]

2092
01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:06,239
won't you please take me along

2093
01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:16,630
hey mr spaceman

2094
01:18:21,420 --> 01:18:25,030
[Music]

2095
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:28,790
i woke along this morning i was

2096
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:32,320
feeling quite weird i had

2097
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,080
flies in my beard my toothpaste

2098
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:43,199
opened my window they'd

2099
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:46,719
written my name said

2100
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,990
mr spaceman

2101
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:03,990
won't you please take me alone

2102
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:08,000
i won't do anything wrong

2103
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:14,400
hey mr spaceman

2104
01:19:26,810 --> 01:19:22,480
won't you please take me along

2105
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:26,820
hey mr spaceman

2106
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:28,800
[Applause]

2107
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:32,800
won't you please take me along

2108
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,270
[Music]

2109
01:19:47,470 --> 01:19:43,280
[Applause]

2110
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:47,480
won't you please take me along the

2111
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:50,560
higher side

2112
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:53,250
won't you please